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	<title>Comments on: Microformats &#8211; Part 4: The User Interface of Microformat Detection</title>
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		<title>By: DCStrain</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-118902</link>
		<dc:creator>DCStrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and as more and more information is add to the microformat scheme, exactly &#039;how&#039; will it not become confusing and unusable?

Please explain to me how more Firefox buttons will do it. 

I can see the future now... hundreds of Firefox buttons, and only enough room for one line of web page content.

DCStrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and as more and more information is add to the microformat scheme, exactly &#8216;how&#8217; will it not become confusing and unusable?</p>
<p>Please explain to me how more Firefox buttons will do it. </p>
<p>I can see the future now&#8230; hundreds of Firefox buttons, and only enough room for one line of web page content.</p>
<p>DCStrain</p>
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		<title>By: Oyun Oyna</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-113427</link>
		<dc:creator>Oyun Oyna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I’d prefer some kind of tiny sidebar (with a width of about 16px + a natively-styled edge) that floats icons next where microformats are detected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I’d prefer some kind of tiny sidebar (with a width of about 16px + a natively-styled edge) that floats icons next where microformats are detected.</p>
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		<title>By: Oyun</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-113410</link>
		<dc:creator>Oyun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This way of presenting the information is both highly discoverable and unobtrusive, and though I don’t know to what degree it could be successfully integrated into microformats, I’m certain it’s something worth looking at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This way of presenting the information is both highly discoverable and unobtrusive, and though I don’t know to what degree it could be successfully integrated into microformats, I’m certain it’s something worth looking at.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Rivero</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-85790</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think directly placing the UI on the website is the way to go and, as long as the web developers preferences are considered, you&#039;ve listed several great reasons why in page implementation is the best way. 

I very much like the non-modal concept, that grays the area on hover. I think aesthetically I would prefer a third design with the smaller, neater icons extending from the green arrow horizontally, and the descriptive text to be displayed, on hover-over, immediately under the icon list. I really do no like the pie menu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think directly placing the UI on the website is the way to go and, as long as the web developers preferences are considered, you&#8217;ve listed several great reasons why in page implementation is the best way. </p>
<p>I very much like the non-modal concept, that grays the area on hover. I think aesthetically I would prefer a third design with the smaller, neater icons extending from the green arrow horizontally, and the descriptive text to be displayed, on hover-over, immediately under the icon list. I really do no like the pie menu.</p>
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		<title>By: kobold</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-26257</link>
		<dc:creator>kobold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;tel:650-961-966&quot;&gt;(650) 961-966&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;loaction:90_N_0_E&quot;&gt;North Pole&lt;/a&gt;

You do not need this microformats. You need this URIs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;a href=&#8221;tel:650-961-966&#8243;&gt;(650) 961-966&lt;/a&gt;</p>
<p>&lt;a href=&#8221;loaction:90_N_0_E&#8221;&gt;North Pole&lt;/a&gt;</p>
<p>You do not need this microformats. You need this URIs.</p>
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		<title>By: Manfred Jonson</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-26256</link>
		<dc:creator>Manfred Jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I hate Applications names, really. I want a clean apt icon, not a silly application icon. Thanks.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I hate Applications names, really. I want a clean apt icon, not a silly application icon. Thanks.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Andy L</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-19432</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love Dimitri Glazkov&#039;s Margin Marks idea, linked in  post 26.  I wonder, however, if there is a feasible way to merge his idea with the scroll bar.  To preserve the functionality of the scrollbar, the &quot;margin mark&quot; would probably have to jut out from the scroll bar rather than span it.  

I also think that perhaps just the tip of the margin mark should jut out from the scrollbar to indicate that there is microformatted content there, and when you hover the mouse in the area near the margin mark, the margin marks expand to show the icons and the numbers as you have mockup.  The reason I suggest this is so that the margin marks are even less intrusive, but are reactive, so that you can interact with them when you need to.      

Some Pros:  
-  This would mean even less screen-size impact than adding another margin or toolbar;
-  The scrolling properties of Dmitri&#039;s idea are already intuitively linked to that segment of the browser;
-  Offscreen microformat content that is can be represented by a small pip or marker on the scrollbar.  This would alert the user to the fact that there is microformatted content in a separate area of a large page; 

Problems:
-  The scrollbar may be a fundamental institution that you just don&#039;t want to mess with;
-  This would potentially complicate a vital control feature.  As it is, most people don&#039;t have to take their eyes off the content to operate the scroll bar.  Adding this feature would almost certainly cause unwanted results from mouseclicks that miss their mark.

I wish I had the graphic design skills to make a mock-up myself.

-Andy L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love Dimitri Glazkov&#8217;s Margin Marks idea, linked in  post 26.  I wonder, however, if there is a feasible way to merge his idea with the scroll bar.  To preserve the functionality of the scrollbar, the &#8220;margin mark&#8221; would probably have to jut out from the scroll bar rather than span it.  </p>
<p>I also think that perhaps just the tip of the margin mark should jut out from the scrollbar to indicate that there is microformatted content there, and when you hover the mouse in the area near the margin mark, the margin marks expand to show the icons and the numbers as you have mockup.  The reason I suggest this is so that the margin marks are even less intrusive, but are reactive, so that you can interact with them when you need to.      </p>
<p>Some Pros:<br />
-  This would mean even less screen-size impact than adding another margin or toolbar;<br />
-  The scrolling properties of Dmitri&#8217;s idea are already intuitively linked to that segment of the browser;<br />
-  Offscreen microformat content that is can be represented by a small pip or marker on the scrollbar.  This would alert the user to the fact that there is microformatted content in a separate area of a large page; </p>
<p>Problems:<br />
-  The scrollbar may be a fundamental institution that you just don&#8217;t want to mess with;<br />
-  This would potentially complicate a vital control feature.  As it is, most people don&#8217;t have to take their eyes off the content to operate the scroll bar.  Adding this feature would almost certainly cause unwanted results from mouseclicks that miss their mark.</p>
<p>I wish I had the graphic design skills to make a mock-up myself.</p>
<p>-Andy L</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Vernieri</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-19240</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Vernieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Dimitri Glazkov hit the nail on the head with his Margin Marks mockups.

http://glazkov.com/blog/margin-marks/

http://flickr.com/photos/dglazkov/sets/72157601860335196/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Dimitri Glazkov hit the nail on the head with his Margin Marks mockups.</p>
<p><a href="http://glazkov.com/blog/margin-marks/" rel="nofollow">http://glazkov.com/blog/margin-marks/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/dglazkov/sets/72157601860335196/" rel="nofollow">http://flickr.com/photos/dglazkov/sets/72157601860335196/</a></p>
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		<title>By: MovGP0</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-7661</link>
		<dc:creator>MovGP0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Toolbar&lt;/b&gt;
I really like the idea of the tabbed-navigation-toolbar and the idea with the icon in the location bar next to the feed-icon. 

The later might get easier to implement, because in the current implementation the navigation toolbar might not be on the top.
Maybe an additional toolbar like Operator uses might work better for this reason. 

&lt;b&gt;Sidebar&lt;/b&gt;
The sidebar ideas should get realised additionally, but not exclusive. 
The idea with the subsections is really great. 

&lt;b&gt;Content Plane&lt;/b&gt;
Highlighting in the content plane is dangerous, bacause it might break bad page designs. Highlighting should only work when requested by the user. Also the highlighting-style might get controlled by a propritary firefox-spefific stylesheet. 

For the content plane I prefer the Contextual Menu, because its small  (and thus less intrusive) and easy to extend with new microformats. 

&lt;b&gt;Icon&lt;/b&gt;
For reasons of pretty design I would avoid the plus-icon of the Operator plugin and use the microformats.org logo instead. 

&lt;b&gt;Recusrsive Microformats&lt;/b&gt;
Also be aware that microformats might be recursive. Thus, a single &#039;hcard&#039; might include a calendar with multiple events, and multiple &#039;adr&#039; addresses and &#039;geo&#039; locations (each event, work, home, etc.). 

A good microformat design has to respect this fact, but the operator and tails extensions doesn&#039;t do so. A Tree-Menu will be better suited for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Toolbar</b><br />
I really like the idea of the tabbed-navigation-toolbar and the idea with the icon in the location bar next to the feed-icon. </p>
<p>The later might get easier to implement, because in the current implementation the navigation toolbar might not be on the top.<br />
Maybe an additional toolbar like Operator uses might work better for this reason. </p>
<p><b>Sidebar</b><br />
The sidebar ideas should get realised additionally, but not exclusive.<br />
The idea with the subsections is really great. </p>
<p><b>Content Plane</b><br />
Highlighting in the content plane is dangerous, bacause it might break bad page designs. Highlighting should only work when requested by the user. Also the highlighting-style might get controlled by a propritary firefox-spefific stylesheet. </p>
<p>For the content plane I prefer the Contextual Menu, because its small  (and thus less intrusive) and easy to extend with new microformats. </p>
<p><b>Icon</b><br />
For reasons of pretty design I would avoid the plus-icon of the Operator plugin and use the microformats.org logo instead. </p>
<p><b>Recusrsive Microformats</b><br />
Also be aware that microformats might be recursive. Thus, a single &#8216;hcard&#8217; might include a calendar with multiple events, and multiple &#8216;adr&#8217; addresses and &#8216;geo&#8217; locations (each event, work, home, etc.). </p>
<p>A good microformat design has to respect this fact, but the operator and tails extensions doesn&#8217;t do so. A Tree-Menu will be better suited for this.</p>
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		<title>By: unyou</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/02/04/microformats-part-4-the-user-interface-of-microformat-detection/comment-page-1/#comment-6047</link>
		<dc:creator>unyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree that we should avoid turning the location bar into a Windows systray like dumping ground for icons.&quot;

Too late! Such a dumping ground for information that Mozilla is trying to defend it by stripping favicons. Tsk tsk terrible UI design</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree that we should avoid turning the location bar into a Windows systray like dumping ground for icons.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too late! Such a dumping ground for information that Mozilla is trying to defend it by stripping favicons. Tsk tsk terrible UI design</p>
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