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		<title>By: Vitaly</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-99134</link>
		<dc:creator>Vitaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a broken branch would work. As in &quot;the firefox is a kind of panda and it climbs trees = browses the web, and a branch breaks so it comes crashing down&quot; :)
Also, it conveys rather well the notion that something went wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a broken branch would work. As in &#8220;the firefox is a kind of panda and it climbs trees = browses the web, and a branch breaks so it comes crashing down&#8221; <img src='http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Also, it conveys rather well the notion that something went wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Sisson</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-98699</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Sisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, wow! Superdotman knows how to brainstorm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, wow! Superdotman knows how to brainstorm.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy James Sobotka</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-96793</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy James Sobotka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon -- where is Mozilla in all of this?  He (or is it she?) has got to be good at crashing and burning something, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon &#8212; where is Mozilla in all of this?  He (or is it she?) has got to be good at crashing and burning something, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-96494</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone suggesting the minefield icon has never tried to ship a product internationally.  Mine icons are especially problematic in Ireland (ask me about an interesting minesweeper anecdote). 

Rather then something scary or confusing (black box) I would show something with positive connotations. A toolbox, a bandaid, a stethascope, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone suggesting the minefield icon has never tried to ship a product internationally.  Mine icons are especially problematic in Ireland (ask me about an interesting minesweeper anecdote). </p>
<p>Rather then something scary or confusing (black box) I would show something with positive connotations. A toolbox, a bandaid, a stethascope, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-96379</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwin Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good old Atari ST did use pictures of bombs when it crashed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row_of_bombs

Nice metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good old Atari ST did use pictures of bombs when it crashed: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row_of_bombs" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row_of_bombs</a></p>
<p>Nice metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: Superdotman</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-95920</link>
		<dc:creator>Superdotman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police tape!
A chalk outline!
Spilled blood!
A gun!

 
The icon should probably go with the message. If the message is &quot;We&#039;re Sorry&quot;, the icon shouldn&#039;t be &quot;don&#039;t worry, you&#039;re safe&quot;, as a life vest or parachute might imply. Since it&#039;s a dialog box, likely to be glanced at for a few seconds and nothing more, uniformity between the icon and the message will ensure that those who don&#039;t bother reading the message will still get the idea by looking at the icon. To that end, what&#039;s the text in the dialog right now? Is it fairly uniform?

 
Semi-related, from an article on the Mac startup chime ( http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/05/tiny-music-makers-pt-4-mac-startup.html ):
&gt;&gt;&quot;Mac people are very familiar with the sound, after restarting their machines too often. In fact, that was one of the issues I was conscious of when designing the sound. Turning the Mac on is one thing, but being forced to reboot from a crash is a totally different experience. I wanted to avoid a sound that would be associated with the crash. I wanted it to sound more like a &quot;palette cleanser&quot;.

 
How about jumper cables? Or jumper cables and a battery? Or a battery? Or a pair of AAs (which, of course, need to be regularly changed)? I like the idea of maintenance things. A screwdriver? Duct tape (please please please)? Soap? A toilet? A utility belt? Batman&#039;s? The plumber&#039;s? Batman&#039;s?

Of course, none of these have to do with crash reporting, per se. Maybe a notepad? Or a clipboard? With some forms on it? Or a checklist with blank entries? Or something that resembles or evokes a survey? Or email or a telephone or Adiumy?

Maybe you could have an icon that denotes the RESULT of the crash report, so that the user is encouraged to click Send or whatever. Something that denotes a developer fixing the problem. A bug? A bug in a jar? In a net? Maybe something representing the problem in its fixed state. The bug under a boot? A Band-Aid?

My Dock has Disk Utility in it, and DU&#039;s icon is a hard disk with a stethoscope. Maybe something along those lines—the diagnosis of the problem. It also has System Preferences, which entails gears. Maybe the icon could be showing Firefox&#039;s &quot;innards&quot; (electronic or mechanical ones, not organic ones), as if to say &quot;your thing just crashed because these two wires don&#039;t connect&quot;.

 
Lol: I typed this up hours ago and forgot to submit it and Keisuke Omi had a bunch of the same ideas as me and I&#039;m too lazy to edit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police tape!<br />
A chalk outline!<br />
Spilled blood!<br />
A gun!</p>
<p> <br />
The icon should probably go with the message. If the message is &#8220;We&#8217;re Sorry&#8221;, the icon shouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;don&#8217;t worry, you&#8217;re safe&#8221;, as a life vest or parachute might imply. Since it&#8217;s a dialog box, likely to be glanced at for a few seconds and nothing more, uniformity between the icon and the message will ensure that those who don&#8217;t bother reading the message will still get the idea by looking at the icon. To that end, what&#8217;s the text in the dialog right now? Is it fairly uniform?</p>
<p> <br />
Semi-related, from an article on the Mac startup chime ( <a href="http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/05/tiny-music-makers-pt-4-mac-startup.html" rel="nofollow">http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/05/tiny-music-makers-pt-4-mac-startup.html</a> ):<br />
&gt;&gt;&#8221;Mac people are very familiar with the sound, after restarting their machines too often. In fact, that was one of the issues I was conscious of when designing the sound. Turning the Mac on is one thing, but being forced to reboot from a crash is a totally different experience. I wanted to avoid a sound that would be associated with the crash. I wanted it to sound more like a &#8220;palette cleanser&#8221;.</p>
<p> <br />
How about jumper cables? Or jumper cables and a battery? Or a battery? Or a pair of AAs (which, of course, need to be regularly changed)? I like the idea of maintenance things. A screwdriver? Duct tape (please please please)? Soap? A toilet? A utility belt? Batman&#8217;s? The plumber&#8217;s? Batman&#8217;s?</p>
<p>Of course, none of these have to do with crash reporting, per se. Maybe a notepad? Or a clipboard? With some forms on it? Or a checklist with blank entries? Or something that resembles or evokes a survey? Or email or a telephone or Adiumy?</p>
<p>Maybe you could have an icon that denotes the RESULT of the crash report, so that the user is encouraged to click Send or whatever. Something that denotes a developer fixing the problem. A bug? A bug in a jar? In a net? Maybe something representing the problem in its fixed state. The bug under a boot? A Band-Aid?</p>
<p>My Dock has Disk Utility in it, and DU&#8217;s icon is a hard disk with a stethoscope. Maybe something along those lines—the diagnosis of the problem. It also has System Preferences, which entails gears. Maybe the icon could be showing Firefox&#8217;s &#8220;innards&#8221; (electronic or mechanical ones, not organic ones), as if to say &#8220;your thing just crashed because these two wires don&#8217;t connect&#8221;.</p>
<p> <br />
Lol: I typed this up hours ago and forgot to submit it and Keisuke Omi had a bunch of the same ideas as me and I&#8217;m too lazy to edit.</p>
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		<title>By: Keisuke Omi</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-95913</link>
		<dc:creator>Keisuke Omi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...focus on the recovery instead of the crash itself, like a parachute, life vest, or reload icon...&quot;

What&#039;s the point of the crash reporter app? If it&#039;s main purpose is to ease the pain/frustration of the application crashing then a focus on recovery sounds like a good direction... but it&#039;s current name and functionality suggest that the point of the app is to collect useful data about the crash and report it back.

How about a bureaucratic-looking form clipped to a clipboard (too much overlap with copy/paste?) to communicate that the app documents the details about the crash and compiles it in a report. Maybe a magnifying glass (too much overlap with search?) or something medical like a stethoscope to put the emphasis on &quot;diagnostics&quot;.

In terms of working well when used by the other applications that are based on the Mozilla platform - Would doing something similar to the favicon for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ work? Displaying the icon of the Mozilla app that the crash reporter is associated with as a badge would communicate better which app crashed. This can be applied to the software updater too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;focus on the recovery instead of the crash itself, like a parachute, life vest, or reload icon&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the point of the crash reporter app? If it&#8217;s main purpose is to ease the pain/frustration of the application crashing then a focus on recovery sounds like a good direction&#8230; but it&#8217;s current name and functionality suggest that the point of the app is to collect useful data about the crash and report it back.</p>
<p>How about a bureaucratic-looking form clipped to a clipboard (too much overlap with copy/paste?) to communicate that the app documents the details about the crash and compiles it in a report. Maybe a magnifying glass (too much overlap with search?) or something medical like a stethoscope to put the emphasis on &#8220;diagnostics&#8221;.</p>
<p>In terms of working well when used by the other applications that are based on the Mozilla platform &#8211; Would doing something similar to the favicon for <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/</a> work? Displaying the icon of the Mozilla app that the crash reporter is associated with as a badge would communicate better which app crashed. This can be applied to the software updater too.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Faaborg</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-95847</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Faaborg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, we realize that the icon is part of the larger Mozilla platform and can&#039;t reference Firefox (although I forgot to mention that in the post).  In other cases, like for our OS X DMG icon or for HTML document, we create branded and unbranded versions, but I&#039;m not so sure a branded crash reporter icon is necessarily a good idea to begin with.

Overall I&#039;m liking the ideas that focus on the recovery instead of the crash itself, like a parachute, life vest, or reload icon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, we realize that the icon is part of the larger Mozilla platform and can&#8217;t reference Firefox (although I forgot to mention that in the post).  In other cases, like for our OS X DMG icon or for HTML document, we create branded and unbranded versions, but I&#8217;m not so sure a branded crash reporter icon is necessarily a good idea to begin with.</p>
<p>Overall I&#8217;m liking the ideas that focus on the recovery instead of the crash itself, like a parachute, life vest, or reload icon.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Ringnalda</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/09/27/new-crash-reporter-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-95836</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Ringnalda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>faaborg forgot to mention a third thing to consider, along with his two: unless someone does some serious wrestling with the build system, it&#039;s not so much &quot;for Firefox 3.1&quot; as &quot;for Gecko 1.9.1&quot; since there&#039;s just the one crashreporter.ico, in toolkit/ where all Toolkit apps use it. Much as it might amuse me to have Thunderbird crashes put the blame on Firefox with some morphed Firefox logo, the amusement would stop after the fiftieth &quot;you got the wrong icon on the crash reporter!&quot; bug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>faaborg forgot to mention a third thing to consider, along with his two: unless someone does some serious wrestling with the build system, it&#8217;s not so much &#8220;for Firefox 3.1&#8243; as &#8220;for Gecko 1.9.1&#8243; since there&#8217;s just the one crashreporter.ico, in toolkit/ where all Toolkit apps use it. Much as it might amuse me to have Thunderbird crashes put the blame on Firefox with some morphed Firefox logo, the amusement would stop after the fiftieth &#8220;you got the wrong icon on the crash reporter!&#8221; bug.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Lizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Lizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all realize that this icon ships in all products using the Mozilla Toolkit/XULRunner, so anything that is Firefox-specific won&#039;t be appropriate, right?  Moreover, about half of the Firefox-like suggestions violate the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/about/logo/stop.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new Logo Style Guide&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all realize that this icon ships in all products using the Mozilla Toolkit/XULRunner, so anything that is Firefox-specific won&#8217;t be appropriate, right?  Moreover, about half of the Firefox-like suggestions violate the <a href="http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/about/logo/stop.html" rel="nofollow">new Logo Style Guide</a>.</p>
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