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	<title>Comments on: Thinking about Refreshing the Firefox Icon</title>
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		<title>By: Asbjørn</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-136963</link>
		<dc:creator>Asbjørn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 23:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And please, please make this icon 256x256 for Windows Vista and Windows 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And please, please make this icon 256&#215;256 for Windows Vista and Windows 7</p>
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		<title>By: Without Sincerity</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-136826</link>
		<dc:creator>Without Sincerity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Max Shirshin. The logo refresh can wait until the release of Firefox 4, but a refresh of the UI is needed--especially with the Vista version. Windows 7 will be coming out soon and Vista has been out since 2007 and still no Aero. What&#039;s worse is that the background color on both the vista and windows 7 RC is the ugly purple color not used in the Operating System except in hidden, buried applications  such as those in the system management tools. When I was using the Firefox 3 beta versions I had always expected that you guys would have changed the coloring to a lighter silver or the black used in the bookmarks manager before the final release as the purple makes Firefox 3 look unfinished. A priority for Firefox 3.5 should be to rectify this and finally make the Windows Vista/7 version look like a finished product.
I don&#039;t want to make a totally negative post so I would also like to tell you how much I love the keyhole design you created for Firefox 3. It is an absolutely genius design and I hope you will be keeping it into future versions of Firefox. 
I would, however, suggest updating the blue coloring in the back/forward keyhole buttons to the blue shades used in the Windows 7 media player play/pause button--The new blue shades they are using looks slick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Max Shirshin. The logo refresh can wait until the release of Firefox 4, but a refresh of the UI is needed&#8211;especially with the Vista version. Windows 7 will be coming out soon and Vista has been out since 2007 and still no Aero. What&#8217;s worse is that the background color on both the vista and windows 7 RC is the ugly purple color not used in the Operating System except in hidden, buried applications  such as those in the system management tools. When I was using the Firefox 3 beta versions I had always expected that you guys would have changed the coloring to a lighter silver or the black used in the bookmarks manager before the final release as the purple makes Firefox 3 look unfinished. A priority for Firefox 3.5 should be to rectify this and finally make the Windows Vista/7 version look like a finished product.<br />
I don&#8217;t want to make a totally negative post so I would also like to tell you how much I love the keyhole design you created for Firefox 3. It is an absolutely genius design and I hope you will be keeping it into future versions of Firefox.<br />
I would, however, suggest updating the blue coloring in the back/forward keyhole buttons to the blue shades used in the Windows 7 media player play/pause button&#8211;The new blue shades they are using looks slick.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shirshin</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-136678</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shirshin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You probably underestimate the value of Firefox brand and logo for the whole Mozilla community. For the past years, Firefox logo (as we know and love it) has been the central part of all promo campaigns, including thousands of web sites, banners, and other art. If any significant change takes place, all these works will become obsolete in a minute. Only imagine how many wallpapers and t-shirts will be thrown out!

Therefore, although I accept all your arguments about &quot;refreshing&quot; the logo, I wouldn&#039;t risk it right now. It&#039;s the user interface, not the icon, that catches new users. Bring some useful changes to the default theme as you did in Fx3, and you&#039;ll get many more new users than by redesigning an already established visual identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably underestimate the value of Firefox brand and logo for the whole Mozilla community. For the past years, Firefox logo (as we know and love it) has been the central part of all promo campaigns, including thousands of web sites, banners, and other art. If any significant change takes place, all these works will become obsolete in a minute. Only imagine how many wallpapers and t-shirts will be thrown out!</p>
<p>Therefore, although I accept all your arguments about &#8220;refreshing&#8221; the logo, I wouldn&#8217;t risk it right now. It&#8217;s the user interface, not the icon, that catches new users. Bring some useful changes to the default theme as you did in Fx3, and you&#8217;ll get many more new users than by redesigning an already established visual identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamasama</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-136078</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamasama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An updated icon sounds nice. For some ideas, you may want to check out the many they have at wincustomize.com -- I&#039;ve always been partial to the &#039;Firefox 2007&#039; icon they have there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An updated icon sounds nice. For some ideas, you may want to check out the many they have at wincustomize.com &#8212; I&#8217;ve always been partial to the &#8216;Firefox 2007&#8242; icon they have there.</p>
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		<title>By: Abi</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-135984</link>
		<dc:creator>Abi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 03:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like your ideas about the visual indication of progress. It would be great to constantly evolve the Firefox icon. As for the creative direction we should take, I have a suggestion - move away from the globe! I don&#039;t mean that you should do it instantly but emphasize the fox more. We are having a globe epidemic today just like the great swoosh epidemic of the 80s (was it?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like your ideas about the visual indication of progress. It would be great to constantly evolve the Firefox icon. As for the creative direction we should take, I have a suggestion &#8211; move away from the globe! I don&#8217;t mean that you should do it instantly but emphasize the fox more. We are having a globe epidemic today just like the great swoosh epidemic of the 80s (was it?).</p>
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		<title>By: Francesco</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-135901</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love actual FF icon.

But, if I&#039;ve to think to a refresh, I imagine a less detailed icon, more stylized, smooth and solid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love actual FF icon.</p>
<p>But, if I&#8217;ve to think to a refresh, I imagine a less detailed icon, more stylized, smooth and solid.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto de Voogd</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-135782</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto de Voogd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly it won&#039;t be the first time that the icon gets updated, but I do think Ken brings up some valid concerns.

ps. It&#039;s strange I commented here yesterday, and referred to Ken Saunder&#039;s Firefox Icon comparison document which he now posted here himself, but my comment has disappeared somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly it won&#8217;t be the first time that the icon gets updated, but I do think Ken brings up some valid concerns.</p>
<p>ps. It&#8217;s strange I commented here yesterday, and referred to Ken Saunder&#8217;s Firefox Icon comparison document which he now posted here himself, but my comment has disappeared somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-135780</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITS marketing value as opposed to &quot;It’s marketing value&quot;. Any proofreaders for hire out there? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITS marketing value as opposed to &#8220;It’s marketing value&#8221;. Any proofreaders for hire out there? <img src='http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ken Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-135779</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m certainly all for updating the logo/icon for many reasons and I agree with the rationale to do so especially since it would symbolize progress, growth, and evolution but such a significant change would best be reserved for Firefox 4. 

Firstly, it would take a massive campaign equal to if not greater than one promoting the release of Firefox 3.5 itself to get the word out about the new(er) logo or else its impact would get lost (and be wasted). Or it would steal the headlines and steer away attention from all of the new features and implementations that are new to Firefox 3.5. That would be counter productive and defeat one of your intended goals of bringing attention to the new features in Firefox 3.5.

There&#039;s no doubt that press and everyone with a blog would post about the new logo but I&#039;d hate to see, &quot;Mozilla Releases Firefox 3.5 With a New logo. Oh, and There&#039;s Some New Features in Firefox As Well&quot;.

Another important thing to consider which strengthens the argument for having an independent campaign for the new logo is the fact that there are hundreds (if not more) of user created alternative Firefox logos that many people use for official representations of Firefox and a new logo (at this time) might be viewed as just another one of those. There is also the issue (that really frustrates me) where major and reputable news and media outlets use the old, original Firefox 1.0 logo whenever posting about Firefox. I&#039;ve written a detailed post about that on Spread Firefox that clearly and definitively illustrates the differences between the old and current logos.
http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/3556
If after several years of the current Fx logo being out people are still using the old one, it will take an enormous effort to get the World to use an even newer Firefox logo and dump the current one.

There simply isn&#039;t enough time between now and the release of Firefox 3.5 to plan, organize, and implement an effective enough campaign to address these issues and give the new logo the proper attention that it warrants.

For now, I&#039;d focus on the firstrun page and really hype up and design it so that users are well aware of how Firefox 3.5 is better and different then any previous versions. Don&#039;t just add a link to the release notes page, present it in an enticing and exciting way like you would if you were redesigning the front page of Mozilla.com. Any other way would be insulting to the tens of thousands (if not more) people who have contributed to Firefox 3.5.

I&#039;d also hook up with Mary Colvig about creating a Firefox 3.5 What&#039;s New workshop as part of the Firefox 3.5 Launch campaign. 

Please, save the new logo for Firefox 4. It&#039;s marketing value would be much greater and it would allow for enough time to get a strategic marketing and awareness campaign in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m certainly all for updating the logo/icon for many reasons and I agree with the rationale to do so especially since it would symbolize progress, growth, and evolution but such a significant change would best be reserved for Firefox 4. </p>
<p>Firstly, it would take a massive campaign equal to if not greater than one promoting the release of Firefox 3.5 itself to get the word out about the new(er) logo or else its impact would get lost (and be wasted). Or it would steal the headlines and steer away attention from all of the new features and implementations that are new to Firefox 3.5. That would be counter productive and defeat one of your intended goals of bringing attention to the new features in Firefox 3.5.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that press and everyone with a blog would post about the new logo but I&#8217;d hate to see, &#8220;Mozilla Releases Firefox 3.5 With a New logo. Oh, and There&#8217;s Some New Features in Firefox As Well&#8221;.</p>
<p>Another important thing to consider which strengthens the argument for having an independent campaign for the new logo is the fact that there are hundreds (if not more) of user created alternative Firefox logos that many people use for official representations of Firefox and a new logo (at this time) might be viewed as just another one of those. There is also the issue (that really frustrates me) where major and reputable news and media outlets use the old, original Firefox 1.0 logo whenever posting about Firefox. I&#8217;ve written a detailed post about that on Spread Firefox that clearly and definitively illustrates the differences between the old and current logos.<br />
<a href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/3556" rel="nofollow">http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/3556</a><br />
If after several years of the current Fx logo being out people are still using the old one, it will take an enormous effort to get the World to use an even newer Firefox logo and dump the current one.</p>
<p>There simply isn&#8217;t enough time between now and the release of Firefox 3.5 to plan, organize, and implement an effective enough campaign to address these issues and give the new logo the proper attention that it warrants.</p>
<p>For now, I&#8217;d focus on the firstrun page and really hype up and design it so that users are well aware of how Firefox 3.5 is better and different then any previous versions. Don&#8217;t just add a link to the release notes page, present it in an enticing and exciting way like you would if you were redesigning the front page of Mozilla.com. Any other way would be insulting to the tens of thousands (if not more) people who have contributed to Firefox 3.5.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also hook up with Mary Colvig about creating a Firefox 3.5 What&#8217;s New workshop as part of the Firefox 3.5 Launch campaign. </p>
<p>Please, save the new logo for Firefox 4. It&#8217;s marketing value would be much greater and it would allow for enough time to get a strategic marketing and awareness campaign in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic Spitaler</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/06/thinking-about-refreshing-the-firefox-icon/comment-page-1/#comment-135775</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic Spitaler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to make it 512x512 on Mac OS X finally ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget to make it 512&#215;512 on Mac OS X finally <img src='http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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