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	<title>Comments on: Visual Polish in the Firefox 3.5 Themes</title>
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		<title>By: Lior</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-142038</link>
		<dc:creator>Lior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, even though you&#039;re right about what XUL and all, this is no reason to express the way you did (too colorful... saying at least)

anyhow, I must agree with you with all what you wrote. I&#039;m still using FF and that would keep on going untill I&#039;ll finish to write my script to convert all my FF tags (JSON &amp; HTML) to .rdf which Epiphany supports.

I&#039;m using Epiphany and Midori (very recommended!)

you can try Midori here [ http://twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html ] and take a look at the following discussion [ http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61027 ] I think that you might find it interesting!

and I want to emphasize that the FACT that mozilla is NOT letting the users a decent way to import/export the users bookmarks is awaking big quandaries (these just the 2 cents from my side, at least)

the only things that I need in order to feel a real FREEDOM is a flexible way to control my bookmarks (not Html &amp; Json which are very hard to BackUp, relatively) and a control on JavaScript similarly like NoScript (only a Blacklist instead of white!).

* in short:
[1] (a decent) Bookmarking management
[2] Userscrips Manager (GreaseMonkey like) - &amp; Midori indeed has it ;)
[3] JavaScrip control (NoScript like)
[4] AdBlocker (Element control &amp; managing)

that&#039;s all!

and if XUL won&#039;t be better OR on &quot;P2&quot; (as said by June) - there is no reason for me to get together with Mozilla.

Mozilla&#039;s policies are indeed eccentrics.

Peace. (and be polite)
^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, even though you&#8217;re right about what XUL and all, this is no reason to express the way you did (too colorful&#8230; saying at least)</p>
<p>anyhow, I must agree with you with all what you wrote. I&#8217;m still using FF and that would keep on going untill I&#8217;ll finish to write my script to convert all my FF tags (JSON &amp; HTML) to .rdf which Epiphany supports.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m using Epiphany and Midori (very recommended!)</p>
<p>you can try Midori here [ <a href="http://twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html" rel="nofollow">http://twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html</a> ] and take a look at the following discussion [ <a href="http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61027" rel="nofollow">http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61027</a> ] I think that you might find it interesting!</p>
<p>and I want to emphasize that the FACT that mozilla is NOT letting the users a decent way to import/export the users bookmarks is awaking big quandaries (these just the 2 cents from my side, at least)</p>
<p>the only things that I need in order to feel a real FREEDOM is a flexible way to control my bookmarks (not Html &amp; Json which are very hard to BackUp, relatively) and a control on JavaScript similarly like NoScript (only a Blacklist instead of white!).</p>
<p>* in short:<br />
[1] (a decent) Bookmarking management<br />
[2] Userscrips Manager (GreaseMonkey like) &#8211; &amp; Midori indeed has it ;)<br />
[3] JavaScrip control (NoScript like)<br />
[4] AdBlocker (Element control &amp; managing)</p>
<p>that&#8217;s all!</p>
<p>and if XUL won&#8217;t be better OR on &#8220;P2&#8243; (as said by June) &#8211; there is no reason for me to get together with Mozilla.</p>
<p>Mozilla&#8217;s policies are indeed eccentrics.</p>
<p>Peace. (and be polite)<br />
^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Random</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-141742</link>
		<dc:creator>Random</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but adding glass to 3.6 is just not acceptable.  Vista/Aero has been out for 3 years now.  It should of been done a long time ago.  I already know of people leaving FF because of this (to IE8 and Chrome).  Unless FF can show that it&#039;s up to date, and user friendly, this is just going to continue.  3.5 must contain Glass, there is no excuses for it.

Even I&#039;m starting to lean away, and I&#039;ve used Mozilla browsers way into the past when it split from Netscape.  FF was the minimalist, fast, standards complain and up to date browser.  While great work has been done on speed, it&#039;s forgetting up to date and user interface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but adding glass to 3.6 is just not acceptable.  Vista/Aero has been out for 3 years now.  It should of been done a long time ago.  I already know of people leaving FF because of this (to IE8 and Chrome).  Unless FF can show that it&#8217;s up to date, and user friendly, this is just going to continue.  3.5 must contain Glass, there is no excuses for it.</p>
<p>Even I&#8217;m starting to lean away, and I&#8217;ve used Mozilla browsers way into the past when it split from Netscape.  FF was the minimalist, fast, standards complain and up to date browser.  While great work has been done on speed, it&#8217;s forgetting up to date and user interface.</p>
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		<title>By: Antwan</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-141010</link>
		<dc:creator>Antwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Anders :

PLEASE consider adding the Glasser extension as a default on Vista/7! Consider also making the tab bar background transparent. It looks so much better that way.

Please do seriously consider this.

The Firefox team goes so far to blend the browser with OSX, I’d like to see a little more effort go into the Vista/7 version. Thank you, and keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Anders :</p>
<p>PLEASE consider adding the Glasser extension as a default on Vista/7! Consider also making the tab bar background transparent. It looks so much better that way.</p>
<p>Please do seriously consider this.</p>
<p>The Firefox team goes so far to blend the browser with OSX, I’d like to see a little more effort go into the Vista/7 version. Thank you, and keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-139822</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I MEANT TO GNU/Linux

&quot;THIS FUCKING BROWSER WORKS BETTER ON WINDOWS THEN ON GNU/Linux&quot;

STUPIDS!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I MEANT TO GNU/Linux</p>
<p>&#8220;THIS FUCKING BROWSER WORKS BETTER ON WINDOWS THEN ON GNU/Linux&#8221;</p>
<p>STUPIDS!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-139821</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s GNU/Linux and n-o-t Linux !!!

&quot;...Basically all of our remaining polish points on Linux (related to icons) are things that we would need to improve at the level of the OS themes...&quot;

&quot;...Basically all of our remaining polish points on GNU/Linux (related to icons) are things that we would need to improve at the level of the OS themes...&quot;

I HATE YOUR SHITTY FIREFOX WEB BROWSER. MAKE THIS SHIT FOR WINDOWS SHIT AND MACOSX SHIT ONLY IF YOU CAN&#039;T GIVE TO THE GNU/LINUX USERS A DECENT WEB BROWSER

THIS FUCKING BROWSER WORKS BETTER ON WINDOWS THEN ON OSX

THE XUL GUI ON LINUX IS LACK!!! AND SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW

ARE WE STILL AT &quot;P2&quot;???
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Firefox_Requirements#Platform_Support


FUCK YOU ASSHOOLES

EPIPHANY IS WAY MUCH BETTER
AND ALSO WEBKIT :DDDDD

FUCK MOZILLA

BTW, 3 YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS A WINDOWS USER... I DONATES MORE THAN 200$ WITH ANOTHER BUDDY

G-O
F-U-C-K
Y-O-U-R-S-E-L-F
T-O-D-A-Y

ONLY TAKING CARE TO YOUR REPUTATION AND A LOOOOOOOTS OF &quot;nepotistic approach&quot;

http://www.chipmark.com:8082/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=143

FUCK YOU ASSHOLES
AND YOUR FAKE FREE SOFTWARE

WHEN I&#039;LL GO BACK TO DEBIAN (NOW UBUNTU) BE SURE THAT I&#039;LL DELETE YOUR SHITTY &quot;ENEMY&quot; ICECAT.

FUCK NEPOTIST MOZILLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s GNU/Linux and n-o-t Linux !!!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Basically all of our remaining polish points on Linux (related to icons) are things that we would need to improve at the level of the OS themes&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Basically all of our remaining polish points on GNU/Linux (related to icons) are things that we would need to improve at the level of the OS themes&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I HATE YOUR SHITTY FIREFOX WEB BROWSER. MAKE THIS SHIT FOR WINDOWS SHIT AND MACOSX SHIT ONLY IF YOU CAN&#8217;T GIVE TO THE GNU/LINUX USERS A DECENT WEB BROWSER</p>
<p>THIS FUCKING BROWSER WORKS BETTER ON WINDOWS THEN ON OSX</p>
<p>THE XUL GUI ON LINUX IS LACK!!! AND SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW</p>
<p>ARE WE STILL AT &#8220;P2&#8243;???<br />
<a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Firefox_Requirements#Platform_Support" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Firefox_Requirements#Platform_Support</a></p>
<p>FUCK YOU ASSHOOLES</p>
<p>EPIPHANY IS WAY MUCH BETTER<br />
AND ALSO WEBKIT :DDDDD</p>
<p>FUCK MOZILLA</p>
<p>BTW, 3 YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS A WINDOWS USER&#8230; I DONATES MORE THAN 200$ WITH ANOTHER BUDDY</p>
<p>G-O<br />
F-U-C-K<br />
Y-O-U-R-S-E-L-F<br />
T-O-D-A-Y</p>
<p>ONLY TAKING CARE TO YOUR REPUTATION AND A LOOOOOOOTS OF &#8220;nepotistic approach&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chipmark.com:8082/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=143" rel="nofollow">http://www.chipmark.com:8082/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=143</a></p>
<p>FUCK YOU ASSHOLES<br />
AND YOUR FAKE FREE SOFTWARE</p>
<p>WHEN I&#8217;LL GO BACK TO DEBIAN (NOW UBUNTU) BE SURE THAT I&#8217;LL DELETE YOUR SHITTY &#8220;ENEMY&#8221; ICECAT.</p>
<p>FUCK NEPOTIST MOZILLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave R.</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-139750</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do not use the etched style on buttons that can be pressed. The Windows standard is for grey etched icons to represent disabled buttons. You need to be consistent with the OS and I don&#039;t see how these icons are an improvement over the subtly-coloured existing ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do not use the etched style on buttons that can be pressed. The Windows standard is for grey etched icons to represent disabled buttons. You need to be consistent with the OS and I don&#8217;t see how these icons are an improvement over the subtly-coloured existing ones.</p>
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		<title>By: WulfTheSaxon</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-138956</link>
		<dc:creator>WulfTheSaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For example, compare the disabled stop button that I rotated and resized at http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6066/sshot1vbb.png – not much different than the new New Tab button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For example, compare the disabled stop button that I rotated and resized at <a href="http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6066/sshot1vbb.png" rel="nofollow">http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6066/sshot1vbb.png</a> – not much different than the new New Tab button.</p>
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		<title>By: WulfTheSaxon</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-138954</link>
		<dc:creator>WulfTheSaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m with #7 on this – the new buttons look disabled on XP. In particular, I vastly prefer the old green New Tab button…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m with #7 on this – the new buttons look disabled on XP. In particular, I vastly prefer the old green New Tab button…</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-138892</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 15:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoopie doo! Three small etched icons are the start of a much needed UI overhaul.

Here&#039;s some ideas for you:

- Get rid of bulbous, 80&#039;s style Linux control buttons.
- Clean up the mismatched colour scheme.
- Remove the ugly File bar.
- Add animations for dragging/reordering tabs.
- Don&#039;t ask interns to design the icon set.
- Remove the UI colour gradients on the Vista default theme.
- Move the tab bar to the TOP of the page, to minimise visual clutter.

This isn&#039;t 1997. Windows doesn&#039;t use the GTK toolkit. Icons that look like they&#039;re from Amiga Workbench 1.3 are NOT sexy. Please, I understand you have to appeal to the &#039;its the functionality that counts&#039; geek crowd, but please introduce a bit of sexiness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoopie doo! Three small etched icons are the start of a much needed UI overhaul.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some ideas for you:</p>
<p>- Get rid of bulbous, 80&#8242;s style Linux control buttons.<br />
- Clean up the mismatched colour scheme.<br />
- Remove the ugly File bar.<br />
- Add animations for dragging/reordering tabs.<br />
- Don&#8217;t ask interns to design the icon set.<br />
- Remove the UI colour gradients on the Vista default theme.<br />
- Move the tab bar to the TOP of the page, to minimise visual clutter.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t 1997. Windows doesn&#8217;t use the GTK toolkit. Icons that look like they&#8217;re from Amiga Workbench 1.3 are NOT sexy. Please, I understand you have to appeal to the &#8216;its the functionality that counts&#8217; geek crowd, but please introduce a bit of sexiness!</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/25/visual-polish-in-the-firefox-35-themes/comment-page-1/#comment-138803</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aero glass isbeing considered for implementation in Firefox.next (right now, firefox 3.6). A brand new vista interface (and probably win 7) will roll out with that release.

@Cata, you can remove any of the buttons on the navigation bar 9such as home, refresh, stop, etc) by right clicking on it, clicking customize, then dragging and dropping the elements to renmove or add them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aero glass isbeing considered for implementation in Firefox.next (right now, firefox 3.6). A brand new vista interface (and probably win 7) will roll out with that release.</p>
<p>@Cata, you can remove any of the buttons on the navigation bar 9such as home, refresh, stop, etc) by right clicking on it, clicking customize, then dragging and dropping the elements to renmove or add them.</p>
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