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		<title>John Lilly at Mozilla</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My first day at Mozilla was in Tokyo in January of 2006. I was working for a search engine startup but was looking for a new opportunity as I wasn&#8217;t optimistic about that startup&#8217;s viability. Joi Ito, who gave me the opportunity to work at that startup, contacted me early in 2006 (right after the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first day at Mozilla was in Tokyo in January of 2006.  </p>
<p>I was working for a search engine startup but was looking for a new opportunity as I wasn&#8217;t optimistic about that startup&#8217;s viability.</p>
<p><a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Joi_Ito">Joi Ito</a>, who gave me the opportunity to work at that startup, contacted me early in 2006 (right after the Firefox 1.5 release) to say that, &#8220;The Mozilla guys are in Tokyo. Can you join me in some meetings with them?&#8221; </p>
<p>That turned out to be Chris Beard, Paul Kim and John Lilly who were in Tokyo for the first time.  I was thrown into meetings and strategy sessions around starting the Tokyo office.  I remember being asked at the end of that week, (by who I forget, maybe it was Joi?) &#8220;So, what do you think? Are you going to join us?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course I did.</p>
<p>My first year at Mozilla was very intense as John worked closely with the team in Tokyo to get us up to speed and prepared for growth.  I think John had 3-4 trips to Tokyo that year alone.  It was a very exciting time and I learned so much about Mozilla and open source and the power of our community from John directly.</p>
<p>In 2007, I worked with John over multiple trips to scout out our situation in China.  We ultimately hired Li Gong to lead the China effort and open our office in Beijing.</p>
<p>As Mozilla grew, and I changed roles to join the Evangelism team, and moved my focus from Japan to the rest of Asia, I spent less time working with John directly, but his influence on my work and perspective is ever-present. </p>
<p>John is not leaving Mozilla per se, although he won&#8217;t be around the office day-to-day anymore.  As he joins Mozilla&#8217;s Board of Directors, his influence and guidance will continue. </p>
<p>John, thank you so much for all that you have given to Mozilla and to all of us.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll close with a few photos from &#8216;back in the day&#8217; from the archives.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/108619068/" title="John Lilly by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/108619068_f1bed08997.jpg" width="500" height="332" alt="John Lilly" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/108618945/" title="DSC_2095.JPG by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/53/108618945_57f2dd7faa.jpg" width="500" height="332" alt="DSC_2095.JPG" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/295247392/" title="Firefox 2 Japan press event 2 by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/115/295247392_752a29adf3.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Firefox 2 Japan press event 2" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/5205538153/" title="John Lilly at Firefox 2 press event, Tokyo, Japan by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5169/5205538153_ab4e268c66.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="John Lilly at Firefox 2 press event, Tokyo, Japan" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/5206116016/" title="John Lilly &amp; Chris Beard in Tian'anmen Square  by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5170/5206116016_c5a3d164c4.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="John Lilly &amp; Chris Beard in Tian'anmen Square " /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/5205517775/" title="John Lilly visits CSIP by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5086/5205517775_2bf19651b7.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="John Lilly visits CSIP" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/5205517657/" title="John Lilly presenting at Tsinghua Univ. by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5205517657_8b3af71f2d.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="John Lilly presenting at Tsinghua Univ." /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/5205517709/" title="Jeremy Goldkorn, uknown, Ching Chiao, John Lilly by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5165/5205517709_4ac5384fab.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Jeremy Goldkorn, uknown, Ching Chiao, John Lilly" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/5205517439/" title="John Lilly in Shanghai by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5205517439_91ef83fcaa.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="John Lilly in Shanghai" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gen/5206115864/" title="John Lilly in Shanghai by Gen Kanai, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5004/5206115864_555241d35c.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="John Lilly in Shanghai" /></a></p>
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		<title>learn about Chinese Internet at the Sinica Podcast</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2010/11/22/learn-about-chinese-internet-at-the-sinica-podcast/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those of you on Planet Mozilla who are interested in learning more about China and trends in the Chinese Internet, I&#8217;d like to recommend the Sinica Podcast.  There&#8217;s a lot of great websites out there covering China but not many good podcasts. This one is the best, imo (at least in English.) Sinica is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you on Planet Mozilla who are interested in learning more about China and trends in the Chinese Internet, I&#8217;d like to recommend the <a href="http://popupchinese.com/lessons/sinica">Sinica Podcast</a>.  There&#8217;s a lot of great websites out there covering China but not many good podcasts. This one is the best, imo (at least in English.)</p>
<blockquote><p><em><a href="http://popupchinese.com/lessons/sinica">Sinica is proud to present a series of podcasts</a> focusing on politics,  economics, international relations and how it all relates to China.  Hosted by Kaiser Kuo, with regular guest appearances by Jeremy Goldkorn,  Bill Bishop and some of the leading figures in the Chinese Internet and  media economy, Sinica is a show produced by those in the know for those  in the know. We hope you enjoy it.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The host is <a href="http://kaiserkuo.typepad.com/about.html">Kaiser Kuo</a>, an American-born Chinese, currently with Baidu. Other regular guests are Jeremy Goldkorn of <a href="http://www.danwei.org/">Danwei</a>, the entrepreneur <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/author/bill-bishop">Bill Bishop</a>, PR expert Will Moss of <a href="http://imagethief.com/">Imagethief</a>, <a href="http://blogs.forbes.com/gadyepstein/">Gady Epstein</a> of Forbes, and other guests.</p>
<p>What I like about this podcast is that everyone is somehow in professional media in some way and so the level of discussion is quite good.  The most recent two episodes delve into two of the recent scandals on the Chinese Internet- the <a href="http://popupchinese.com/lessons/sinica/the-li-gang-scandal">Li Gang hit-and-run murder</a> and the <a href="http://popupchinese.com/lessons/sinica/the-end-of-chinese-internet-civility">360 Qihoo vs QQ controversy</a>. These two stories couldn&#8217;t be more different from each other but they show in various ways how vastly different the Internet in China is from what we experience elsewhere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sad that there isn&#8217;t a podcast of this quality covering other countries in Asia but that&#8217;s a different rant for another day.</p>
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		<title>QQ vs 360 &#8211; on the Chinese Internet users lose</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2010/11/05/chinese-internet-qq-vs-360-users-lose/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many aspects of the Internet in China that make it unique (see Internet censorship in the People&#8217;s Republic of China, a page that is no doubt blocked from view in China.) state censorship of non-Chinese content via the Great Firewall internal (to China) censorship of content by Chinese Internet companies self-censorship that is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many aspects of the Internet in China that make it unique (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China">Internet censorship in the People&#8217;s Republic of China</a>, a page that is no doubt blocked from view in China.)</p>
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<li>state censorship of non-Chinese content via the Great Firewall</li>
<li>internal (to China) censorship of content by Chinese Internet companies</li>
<li>self-censorship that is a hallmark of any regime that does not have free speech laws</li>
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<p>These are but 3 of the many differences of the Internet in China vs. elsewhere.</p>
<p>Sadly, there are non-censorship related issues around commercial software vendors and their competitive practices that are terrible for Chinese Internet users.  The most recent battle on the Chinese Internet is between Tencent, who&#8217;s QQ brand has over 600 million users of their instant messaging service, and 360 an &#8216;anti-virus&#8217; software company that has 300 million clients installed and is so aggressive as to cross the line (in my opinion) of marking legitimate software as &#8220;viruses&#8221; if they are competitive with any software that 360 also provides.</p>
<p>If I had to put this in Western terms, it would be as if Norton/Mcafee marked AOL Instant Messenger/Yahoo! IM/etc. as virus software.<br />
<a href="http://www.chinahush.com/2010/10/31/360-vs-qq-you-steal-private-information-oh-yeah-your-wealthy-ceo-cheats-housing-allowance/"><br />
360 vs QQ, Internet security company picks fight with China’s NO. 1 software giant</a> (the Japanese manga-style cartoons are a little disturbing)</p>
<p>EastSouthWestNorth has translations of key statements from QQ and a news report from MOP:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zonaeuropa.com/201010a.brief.htm#036">360 PK Tencent (10/31/2010)  (MOP)</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.zonaeuropa.com/201011a.brief.htm#002">360 Is Hackerware (11/01/2010)  (QQ.com)</a></p>
<p>China Tech News is reporting that China&#8217;s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology and Ministry of Public Security is now involved in this corporate dispute without any resolution to date.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chinatechnews.com/2010/11/05/12680-qihoo-360-chinese-government-interferes-in-tencent-internet-dispute">Qihoo 360: Chinese Government Interferes In Tencent Internet Dispute</a></p>
<p>And today, Tencent (QQ) has issued an ultimatum to it&#8217;s 600 million users that users of QQ cannot use 360&#8242;s anti-virus software.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.danwei.org/front_page_of_the_day/qq_pk_360.php">Tencent threatens its users with an ultimatum</a></p>
<p>China&#8217;s Internet users have so many challenges to deal with, from the state, to the companies that run Chinese Internet services, that corporate in-fighting between Chinese application providers (who are not even directly competing with each other) should be the last straw.</p>
<p>My opinion? If you are an Internet user in China, switch to Linux or Mac OS and get off Windows, because Chinese application providers only build for Windows and thus getting off Windows means getting rid of the need for Chinese applications altogether.  You won&#8217;t have these problems with open source software.</p>
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		<title>Rebecca MacKinnon on Internet censorship in China</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Warning: this post has no browser-related content. Rebecca MacKinnon&#8217;s blog post about Google&#8217;s recent moves with their homepage for their mainland Chinese users is informative but what&#8217;s more interesting to me is her testimony at the June 30th hearing on &#8220;China&#8217;s Information Control Practices and the Implications for the United States&#8221; for the U.S.-China Economic [...]]]></description>
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<p>Rebecca MacKinnon&#8217;s blog post about <a href="http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2010/06/googles-china-troubles.html">Google&#8217;s recent moves with their homepage</a> for their mainland Chinese users is informative but what&#8217;s more interesting to me is <a href="http://rconversation.blogs.com/files/rm_uscc_final.pdf">her testimony</a> at the June 30th hearing on &#8220;<a href="http://www.uscc.gov/hearings/2010hearings/hr10_06_30.php">China&#8217;s Information Control Practices and the Implications for the United States</a>&#8221; for the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission. The entire testimony is powerful but the last part, where she reminds everyone that Baidu is listed on the NASDAQ and uses money from investors in the US and elsewhere to censor the Internet in China, is worth reading.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://rconversation.blogs.com/files/rm_uscc_final.pdf">Testimony before the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission</a>:<br />
“China’s Information Control Practices  and the Implications for the United States”</p>
<p><em>As I have described in my testimony, <strong>the Chinese government has transferred much of the cost of censorship to the private sector. The American investment community has so far been willing to fund Chinese innovation in censorship technologies and systems without complaint or objection. </strong>Under such circumstances, Chinese industry leaders have little incentive and less encouragement to resist government demands that often contradict even China’s own laws and constitution. </em></p>
<p><em><strong>Two of Baidu’s five Directors are American. U.S. investors provided much of Baidu’s startup capital. U.S. institutional investors own significant stakes in the company. </strong> To be fair, American investment dollars support many businesses around the world that human rights groups and environmentalists have identified as unethical or destructive to our health and our planet. Yet in the wake of the financial crisis and the BP oil spill, it is also clear that millions of people around the world are paying an unacceptably high price for unethical – or at very least amoral – investment practices. <strong>We will not see the end of our problems unless industry and investors own up to their broader responsibilities to society and to the planet. I predict that the prospects for freedom and democracy around the world will similarly be diminished if our investments continue to support censorship and surveillance. </strong></em></p>
<p><em>For the ethical investor, there are two possible responses to this problem. One is divestment from all ethically challenging situations. The other is engagement and advocacy, using financial leverage to work for positive change in industry practices and even government regulation.  Such efforts often require patience and take time to bear fruit, but experience in other sectors such as mining and manufacturing show that <strong>proactive, socially responsible investment combined with advocacy and engagement can make a difference over time. </strong></em></p>
<p><em>I believe the Chinese people would be worse off if all American companies and investors were to abandon the Chinese Internet.  <strong>Investors who remain silent, however, should be clear about what kind of innovation they are financing.</strong> In addition to whatever product or service they set out to invest in, they are also supporting a disturbing new political innovation: networked authoritarianism. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>If you own Baidu stock or have a mutual fund that owns Baidu stock you are financing China&#8217;s state-controlled censorship of the Chinese Internet.</p>
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		<title>Chinese networked authoritarianism</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While not necessarily Mozilla-related, Rebecca MacKinnon&#8217;s most recent blog post on the White Paper issued by the Chinese government on the Internet is a must-read for those who care about the Internet in China or censorship of the Internet. China&#8217;s Internet White Paper: networked authoritarianism in action Thus China is pioneering what I call &#8220;networked [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not necessarily Mozilla-related, <a href="http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2010/06/chinas-internet-white-paper-networked-authoritarianism.html">Rebecca MacKinnon&#8217;s most recent blog</a> post on the White Paper issued by the Chinese government on the Internet is a must-read for those who care about the Internet in China or censorship of the Internet.</p>
<p><a href="http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2010/06/chinas-internet-white-paper-networked-authoritarianism.html">China&#8217;s Internet White Paper: networked authoritarianism in action</a></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Thus China is pioneering what I call &#8220;networked authoritarianism.&#8221; Compared to classic authoritarianism, networked authoritarianism permits – or shall we say accepts the Internet’s inevitable consequences and adjusts – a lot more give-and-take between government and citizens than in a pre-Internet authoritarian state. While one party remains in control, a wide range of conversations about the country’s problems rage on websites and social networking services. The government follows online chatter, and sometimes people are even able to use the Internet to call attention to social problems or injustices, and even manage to have an impact on government policies. As a result, the average person with Internet or mobile access has a much greater sense of freedom – and may even feel like they have the ability to speak and be heard – in ways that weren’t possible under classic authoritarianism. It also makes most people a lot less likely to join a movement calling for radical political change. In many ways, the regime actually uses the Internet not only to extend its control but also to enhance its legitimacy.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The White Paper is a clear articulation of the Chinese government&#8217;s long-standing position that nation-states should have &#8220;sovereignty&#8221; over all aspects of the Internet &#8211; human or equipment or signal &#8211; that reside within or pass through Chinese sovereign territory.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The White Paper&#8217;s message is that the Chinese government is not running scared from the Internet. It is embracing the Internet head-on, intends to be a leader in its global evolution, and intends to assert its influence on how the global Internet is governed and regulated. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>In addition to Rebecca&#8217;s post, if you are interested in these issues be sure to read Evan Osnos&#8217; (New Yorker) interview of Tim Wu (Columbia Univ.) on this same topic:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2010/06/what-is-internet-sovereignty-in-china.html">Can China Maintain “Sovereignty” Over the Internet?</a></p>
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		<title>Will China&#8217;s Great Firewall Hold?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One day before US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton&#8217;s speech on Internet freedom, the New America Foundation has hosted a panel discussion on Chinese censorship of the Internet with Alex Ross of the State Department, Rebecca MacKinnon of the Open Society Institute, Tim Wu of Columbia University, and Evgeny Morozov of Georgetown University. The discussion [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One day before US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton&#8217;s speech on Internet freedom, the <a href="http://www.newamerica.net/">New America Foundation</a> has hosted a panel discussion on Chinese censorship of the Internet with Alex Ross of the State Department, <a href="http://rconversation.blogs.com/">Rebecca MacKinnon</a> of the Open Society Institute, <a href="http://www.timwu.org/about.html">Tim Wu</a> of Columbia University, and Evgeny Morozov of Georgetown University.  The discussion was moderated by James Fallows of The Atlantic Monthly.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.newamerica.net/events/2010/authority_meet_technology"><br />
Authority, Meet Technology: Will China&#8217;s Great Firewall Hold? </a></p>
<p>For those who prefer the audio, you can download the <a href="http://www.newamerica.net/sites/newamerica.net/files/events/naf012010a.mp3">MP3 Recording of This Event</a>.</p>
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		<title>bad news on web browsers in China</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two pieces of news regarding web browsers in China, unfortunately neither of them good news. China Tech News is reporting that Kingsoft, a software security package, and 360 Browser, which purports to be a more secure browser from Qihoo, are no longer working together as they had claimed to do earlier this year. Browser War: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two pieces of news regarding web browsers in China, unfortunately neither of them good news.</p>
<p>China Tech News is reporting that Kingsoft, a software security package, and 360 Browser, which purports to be a more secure browser from Qihoo, are no longer working together as they had claimed to do earlier this year.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chinatechnews.com/2009/11/26/11091-browser-war-chinas-360-kingsoft-cease-tech-security-cooperation">Browser War: China&#8217;s 360, Kingsoft Cease Tech Security Cooperation</a></p>
<p>While I haven&#8217;t been to the mainland recently (since 2007 in fact) I think a lot of the problems around software security and piracy are still par for the course.  That two &#8220;security&#8221; software vendors can&#8217;t work together just means that the user loses.  Kingsoft also claimed to be working with Maxthon earlier this year, <a href="http://www.chinatechnews.com/2009/09/18/10606-kingsoft-maxthon-to-jointly-develop-secure-browser">Kingsoft, Maxthon To Jointly Develop Secure Browser</a>- we&#8217;ll see if that ends up a better partnership than with Qihoo.</p>
<p>Then there is more ominous news from the BBC and The Register regarding the fact that Opera has forced all users of Opera Mini in China to use the Chinese language Mini.  This comes with a new proxy server that is filtering access to websites like Facebook and Twitter, which used to be accessible.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8376555.stm">Opera web browser &#8216;censors&#8217; Chinese content </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/24/opera_mini_and_china/"><br />
Opera plugs hole in Great Firewall of China</a></p>
<p>In fact Twitter users in China were complaining of this a few days before the BBC article was posted.  There&#8217;s a lot to dislike about this outside of the fact that it looks like Opera is working with the Chinese government to filter the web for Chinese users. It also means that if you are an expatriate in China, and you&#8217;re more comfortable with an English interface for your web browser, you can&#8217;t use Opera Mini in English in China.</p>
<p>This is a sad day for the open web in China.</p>
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		<title>Asia-related links I am reading</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[China&#8217;s censorship arms race escalates &#8211; Excellent coverage on Internet censorship in Mainland China by Rebecca Mackinnon. Why and How Facebook should come to Southeast Asia &#8211; Bernard Leong&#8217;s excellent treatise on Facebook in SE Asia. If he wasn&#8217;t running his own SNS, Facebook should hire Bernard Google Losing in China as New Users Go [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/09/chinas-censorship-arms-race-escalates.html">China&#8217;s censorship arms race escalates</a> &#8211; Excellent coverage on Internet censorship in Mainland China by Rebecca Mackinnon.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bernardleong.com/2009/09/20/facebook-southeast-asia/">Why and How Facebook should come to Southeast Asia</a> &#8211; Bernard Leong&#8217;s excellent treatise on Facebook in SE Asia.  If he wasn&#8217;t running his own SNS, Facebook should hire Bernard <img src='http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/172362/"></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/172362/">Google Losing in China as New Users Go to Baidu</a> &#8211; Google <strong>losing</strong> search market share in China.<a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1005/technology-baidu-robin-li-man-whos-beating-google_print.html"></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1005/technology-baidu-robin-li-man-whos-beating-google_print.html">Forbes: The Man Who&#8217;s Beating Google</a> &#8211; Long portrait of Robin Li, Founder &amp; CEO of Baidu.</p>
<p><a href="http://ajpr.com/wordpress/japanese-sem/ppc-market-2billion-by2013">Japan’s PPC ad market will reach $2 billion by 2013</a> &#8211; Decent, but it could/should be bigger.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/technology/internet/24online.html?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss">E-Commerce Is Getting Chinese to Loosen Their Purse Strings</a> &#8211; NYT on ecommerce trends in China.  Ecommerce and the related Internet advertising to support ecommerce will be key to a more vibrant web in China.<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/09/23/technology/AP-AS-TEC-SKorea-iPhone.html"></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/09/23/technology/AP-AS-TEC-SKorea-iPhone.html">South Korea Approves Sale of Apple&#8217;s iPhone </a> &#8211; Channy has been waiting for this day for a long time <img src='http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125367616595333125.html">South Korea Clears Way for iPhone Sales</a> &#8211; No one has still explained how S. Koreans are going to do anything on the iPhone that requires a secure transaction if no Korean web services support SSL.<a href="http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14506580"></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14506580">Vietnam&#8217;s rebounding economy &#8211; V not yet for victory</a> &#8211; Economist on Vietnam&#8217;s macroeconomic challenges.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thanhniennews.com/business/?catid=2&amp;newsid=52622">Software piracy costs Vietnam $275 million every year</a> &#8211; Vietnam has done well with open source software but could do a lot more.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/23/joi-ito-creative-commons-twitter/print">Want to live like Commons people?</a><br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/sep/23/joi-ito-interview-creative-commons">Joi Ito talks about Creative Commons, Twitter, and the White House</a> &#8211; Guardian UK interviews Joi Ito.</p>
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		<title>web browser marketshare in China</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This news is a week old but I saw some fascinating news on browser marketshare in China via Global Times: Chinese browsers are putting the heat on Internet Explorer. Microsoft&#8217;s Internet Explorer (IE) browser, which once dominated the Chinese Internet world with 96 percent of the market, has seen its share shrink to 57.8 percent [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This news is a week old but I saw some fascinating news on browser marketshare in China via Global Times: <a href="http://business.globaltimes.cn/industries/2009-09/465112.html">Chinese browsers are putting the heat on Internet Explorer</a>.</p>
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Microsoft&#8217;s Internet Explorer (IE) browser, which once dominated the Chinese Internet world with 96 percent of the market, has seen its <strong>share shrink to 57.8 percent</strong> due to the growing popularity of domestic brands.</em></p>
<p><em>It&#8217;s the lowest level in Microsoft&#8217;s history in China as domestic brands such as <strong>Maxthon, Tencent TT and Qihoo360&#8242;s 360 Secured Browser now account for 31.1 percent</strong> of the country&#8217;s browser market, according to data by iResearch.</em></p>
<p><em>The <strong>360 Secured Browser</strong>&#8216;s share has increased 50 percent from each previous quarter for three consecutive quarters, with its <strong>market share currently at 8.4 percent</strong>, iResearch said.<br />
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<p>I have more questions than when I started reading this article such as:</p>
<p>- What is &#8220;<em><strong>domestic</strong></em>&#8221; Chinese about browsers (<strong>Maxthon</strong>, <strong>TT Browser</strong>, <strong>Green Browser</strong>, <strong>360 Secured</strong>, etc.) that are powered by the<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_%28layout_engine%29"> Trident layout engine</a> used in Internet Explorer, which is designed, developed and distributed by Microsoft Corporation from Redmond, Washington, USA?</p>
<p>Japanese browser wrapper providers like <strong>Lunascape</strong> and <strong>Sleipnir</strong> also claim to be &#8220;Japanese&#8221; when similarly the core layout technology of those browsers is made by Microsoft or Mozilla or Webkit (Apple/Google).  There is nothing &#8220;Japanese&#8221; about those browsers except the &#8220;chrome.&#8221;</p>
<p>- If you add up the 57.8% that IE has, and the 31.1% that the Trident-based Chinese browsers have, you end up with 88.9% or basically 89% of the Chinese market uses the Trident layout engine.  So clearly it is still a struggle for a <strong>Webkit</strong> or <strong>Gecko</strong> based browser to gain market share in China if the majority of the web pages are probably coded for IE.  Once Trident-based browsers lose more than 15-20% share, web compatibility usually stops becoming an issue.</p>
<p>-What makes 360 Secured Browser more secure than other browsers? Are there real security features that 360 Secured has that other browsers do not?  Or is it merely marketing?</p>
<p>- What makes the Chinese users so different that Firefox is &#8220;culturally different&#8221; and therefore harder to use for Chinese users when Firefox is often very popular in just about every other country across the globe?</p>
<p>There is so much about the China market that is unique for many reasons, be it at the network level where the main networks in the country (China Netcom, China Unicom, Chinese university network) do not peer, or the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort">Green Dam Youth Escort</a>, or the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Shield_Project">Golden Shield Project</a>. But even at the browser level, China&#8217;s Internet market is quite different than any other.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d welcome your thoughts on what makes the Chinese market interesting and unique and what Mozilla should do to better address the China market.</p>
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		<title>Sohu to launch a browser</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gen Kanai</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a lot of information.  If anyone has more details, please leave them in the comments. Sohu (Nasdaq: SOHU) search engine Sogou plans to release a web browser by the end of 2008, reports hexun.com Sohu senior vice president Wang Xiaochuan. Wang, while speaking at Tsinghua University on December 6, said that the web browser [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a lot of information.  If anyone has more details, please leave them in the comments.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Sohu (Nasdaq: SOHU) search engine <strong>Sogou plans to release a web browser by the end of 2008</strong>, reports hexun.com Sohu senior vice president Wang Xiaochuan. Wang, while speaking at Tsinghua University on December 6, said that the web browser will allow students to access overseas websites for free through CERNET, instead of having to pay as they do now. CERNET (China Education and Research Network) is China&#8217;s Internet network for universities.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The end of 2008 is only 2 weeks away&#8230;</p>
<p>* <a href="http://www.jlmpacificepoch.com/newsstories?id=P137170">JL MCGREGOR &amp; COMPANY RESEARCH: Sohu Planning Web Browser </a></p>
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