Comments for SUMO Blog http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo The support.mozilla.org (SUMO) project Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:41:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Mook http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46452 Mook Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:41:17 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46452 Asa: I agree that many of the installs are unwanted; that's why I only attempted to describe a flow that includes user opt-in. I feel that by assuming <em>all</em> other entities are malicious, Firefox-the-project breeds a reality where this is true. After all, people who would rather respect the user and do nice things are forced to go through weird hacks anyway to get a reasonable user experience - so more effort overall is being poured into working against the system. I'm not asking Firefox to just allow everything; I'm asking for doing the right thing to be significantly easier to implement than doing the wrong thing. Asa: I agree that many of the installs are unwanted; that’s why I only attempted to describe a flow that includes user opt-in. I feel that by assuming all other entities are malicious, Firefox-the-project breeds a reality where this is true. After all, people who would rather respect the user and do nice things are forced to go through weird hacks anyway to get a reasonable user experience – so more effort overall is being poured into working against the system.

I’m not asking Firefox to just allow everything; I’m asking for doing the right thing to be significantly easier to implement than doing the wrong thing.

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Asa Dotzler http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46450 Asa Dotzler Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:30:35 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46450 Mook, the problem is that most users don't really want most of this stuff. They're tricked into installing it. And if there weren't lucrative economics associated with tricking users into installing most of it, many of these add-ons would have next to no usage. This is not in the best interest of users. It's more often than not sleezy vendor behavior driven by the easy economics of search. - A Mook, the problem is that most users don’t really want most of this stuff. They’re tricked into installing it. And if there weren’t lucrative economics associated with tricking users into installing most of it, many of these add-ons would have next to no usage. This is not in the best interest of users. It’s more often than not sleezy vendor behavior driven by the easy economics of search.

- A

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Mook http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46443 Mook Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:29:05 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46443 Unfortunately, I suspect this will keep happening with Firefox treating all other apps as malicious and not providing hooks for other people to interact cleanly. As long as there's no way of nicely informing Firefox that the toolbar is being installed (and have it, for example, prompt the user at install time), people will end up trying weird things to remind their users that they at one point wanted this stuff. Firefox really doesn't play well with others... Unfortunately, I suspect this will keep happening with Firefox treating all other apps as malicious and not providing hooks for other people to interact cleanly. As long as there’s no way of nicely informing Firefox that the toolbar is being installed (and have it, for example, prompt the user at install time), people will end up trying weird things to remind their users that they at one point wanted this stuff.

Firefox really doesn’t play well with others…

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Nicholas Nethercote http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46442 Nicholas Nethercote Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:15:19 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46442 It looks to me like the address bar search is just doing "I'm feeling lucky" style search instead of normal Google search. It looks to me like the address bar search is just doing “I’m feeling lucky” style search instead of normal Google search.

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Boris http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46441 Boris Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:14:52 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46441 That's odd. Nothing in that prefs.js should affect the url bar, offhand.... That’s odd. Nothing in that prefs.js should affect the url bar, offhand….

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Mike Ratcliffe http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46440 Mike Ratcliffe Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:12:35 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46440 In my opinion all misbehaving addons should be blacklisted. In my opinion all misbehaving addons should be blacklisted.

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Fred Wenzel http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46439 Fred Wenzel Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:33:40 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46439 OMG, that is horrendous :( OMG, that is horrendous :(

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by sysKin http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46438 sysKin Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:10:50 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46438 I once filed bug 650477 for small part of the problem, but unfortunately it was WONTFIXd without any further indication of what to do with this pain. I once filed bug 650477 for small part of the problem, but unfortunately it was WONTFIXd without any further indication of what to do with this pain.

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Verdi http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46437 Verdi Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:40:36 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46437 This should have occurred to me while making the video but restarting in safe mode and selecting "Reset all user preferences to Firefox defaults" did the trick. This should have occurred to me while making the video but restarting in safe mode and selecting “Reset all user preferences to Firefox defaults” did the trick.

]]> Comment on Ask Toolbar is changing the Firefox add-on process by Verdi http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2012/02/21/ask-toolbar-is-changing-the-firefox-add-on-process/comment-page-1/#comment-46436 Verdi Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:37:12 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/?p=2096#comment-46436 Hi Boris - here it is http://people.mozilla.org/~mverdi/files/prefs.js.txt Hi Boris – here it is http://people.mozilla.org/~mverdi/files/prefs.js.txt

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