Comments on: Sharing Ideas Without Having to Think http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/ Everybody Likes Ninjas Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:05:57 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Pat http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10541 Pat Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:23:42 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-10541 Thanks, Wil! Right now we're working on extending FeVote every which way, and considering a limited open source release at the end of the year. While the wait could be long, the hosted utility is readily available. For immediate site integration, we recently released the <a href="http://www.fevote.com/widget/create?category=meebo" rel="nofollow">FeVote Widget</a>. Right now we're working on two projects to help open FeVote up: an API, and a small package that Facebook app developers can use within their apps to get Feedback. (Our own FB app <a href="http://apps.facebook.com/fevoteit/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, btw.) It would be an honor to have Mozilla on board, and to hear your thoughts on improvement. :) Thanks, Wil!

Right now we’re working on extending FeVote every which way, and considering a limited open source release at the end of the year. While the wait could be long, the hosted utility is readily available.

For immediate site integration, we recently released the FeVote Widget.

Right now we’re working on two projects to help open FeVote up: an API, and a small package that Facebook app developers can use within their apps to get Feedback. (Our own FB app here, btw.)

It would be an honor to have Mozilla on board, and to hear your thoughts on improvement. :)

]]> By: Wil Clouser http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10392 Wil Clouser Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:22:22 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-10392 I didn't mean to ignore FeVote in my last comment - I think it's very close to what the original post is talking about. If you're thinking of open sourcing it, I'm all the more excited about it. :) Do you have a time line you're considering? I didn't know about yahoo's suggestion board, but it looks nicely done. I kind of like how you can "demote" items on Dell's site, but that might just be my negative attitude shining through. ;) Regardless, if there is code out there we can use to save us time, I'm sure we'll all be pretty excited about it. I didn’t mean to ignore FeVote in my last comment – I think it’s very close to what the original post is talking about. If you’re thinking of open sourcing it, I’m all the more excited about it. :) Do you have a time line you’re considering?

I didn’t know about yahoo’s suggestion board, but it looks nicely done. I kind of like how you can “demote” items on Dell’s site, but that might just be my negative attitude shining through. ;)

Regardless, if there is code out there we can use to save us time, I’m sure we’ll all be pretty excited about it.

]]> By: Pat http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10157 Pat Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:57:43 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-10157 No comments about FeVote!? (see above; and sorry about the spammy tone -- i got excited!) On another note, we're considering open-sourcing FeVote once we're comfortable with our hosted platform. Think <a href="http://www.pligg.com/" rel="nofollow">Pligg</a>, but based on ideas as opposed to news. Also, all the talk is about IdeaStorm, but don't leave out <a href="http://suggestions.yahoo.com/" rel="nofollow">Yahoo! Suggestion Board</a>, which IMO is better implemented. Same concept, but simply better. No comments about FeVote!? (see above; and sorry about the spammy tone — i got excited!)

On another note, we’re considering open-sourcing FeVote once we’re comfortable with our hosted platform. Think Pligg, but based on ideas as opposed to news.

Also, all the talk is about IdeaStorm, but don’t leave out Yahoo! Suggestion Board, which IMO is better implemented. Same concept, but simply better.

]]> By: Wil Clouser http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10074 Wil Clouser Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:12:48 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-10074 Gerv's comments are true - the uninstall survey is flooded with comments that make no sense or are just outlets for frustration. I think the benefit of a system like the IdeaStorm would be picking up the set of users between "I just want to vent" and "I'm going to create an account, articulate my idea, and follow up when people ask questions." Since the barrier to entry is lower, you'll get more input, however, most of that input would be in the form of votes, rather than separate ideas/issues (which is a weakness of the uninstall survey's comments). As ideas+votes clump together and float to the top, you'll find the issues that most people want addressed (another issue with hendrix/survey). Gerv’s comments are true – the uninstall survey is flooded with comments that make no sense or are just outlets for frustration. I think the benefit of a system like the IdeaStorm would be picking up the set of users between “I just want to vent” and “I’m going to create an account, articulate my idea, and follow up when people ask questions.”

Since the barrier to entry is lower, you’ll get more input, however, most of that input would be in the form of votes, rather than separate ideas/issues (which is a weakness of the uninstall survey’s comments). As ideas+votes clump together and float to the top, you’ll find the issues that most people want addressed (another issue with hendrix/survey).

]]> By: Anders http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10071 Anders Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:35:40 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-10071 My point was exactly that you don't need an account even if you want to watch the issue/bug. Internally the issues might be tied to a guid, which would server as both identification and credentials. Only if the user would like to access the submitted issues from another installation/browser, the user would need some form of identification, at that point they could be given an url to bookmark to the option to enter a email to which a password or url can be send. My point was exactly that you don’t need an account even if you want to watch the issue/bug. Internally the issues might be tied to a guid, which would server as both identification and credentials. Only if the user would like to access the submitted issues from another installation/browser, the user would need some form of identification, at that point they could be given an url to bookmark to the option to enter a email to which a password or url can be send.

]]> By: morgamic http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10069 morgamic Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:26:49 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-10069 Mozillazine forums? Errr, no... but kind of. Gerv, that's kind of the point. I don't think it's healthy to assume that people who are "as smart as you" have all the ideas. A good app would also let the community bubble things up (for better or worse). Is the fear that the Bugzilla-aware community is egocentric and lacking some ideas that the rest of the world has not legitimate? Mozillazine forums? Errr, no… but kind of.

Gerv, that’s kind of the point. I don’t think it’s healthy to assume that people who are “as smart as you” have all the ideas. A good app would also let the community bubble things up (for better or worse). Is the fear that the Bugzilla-aware community is egocentric and lacking some ideas that the rest of the world has not legitimate?

]]> By: Gerv http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10062 Gerv Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:37:02 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-10062 That all works fine as long as everyone is as smart as you. But if you reduce the barrier to entry for feedback, what you get is more feedback. Compare the Hendrix volume vs. the new-Bugzilla-filer bugs-filed volume. However, there's also no guarantee of quality, because you've got no "clue barrier" in the way either. So compare Hendrix quality to Bugzilla bug quality. The Bugzilla bug quality's not high, but the Hendrix quality is (frankly) terrible. If it's really easy to give your opinion, the problem is that everyone will do it. :-) That all works fine as long as everyone is as smart as you. But if you reduce the barrier to entry for feedback, what you get is more feedback. Compare the Hendrix volume vs. the new-Bugzilla-filer bugs-filed volume. However, there’s also no guarantee of quality, because you’ve got no “clue barrier” in the way either. So compare Hendrix quality to Bugzilla bug quality. The Bugzilla bug quality’s not high, but the Hendrix quality is (frankly) terrible.

If it’s really easy to give your opinion, the problem is that everyone will do it. :-)

]]> By: Cameron http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10027 Cameron Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:23:22 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-10027 Mozillazine forums? Mozillazine forums?

]]> By: Pat http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-9996 Pat Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:38:05 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-9996 We're well on our way to making what you've outlined available for any company, organization, product, website, etc.: http://www.fevote.com/ "FeVote" is a 'social suggestions' website. One of your hottest points is that suggestion making should be dead simple -- no hassles. We've opened the site up to Yahoo and OpenID (thus AOL/AIM) users, but after reading this post, you reaffirmed an old thought I had that users should not be forced to login to make suggestions. For instance, on a website, through our widget, a person should be able to: a) Type the idea b) Complete a CAPTCHA; click submit c) OPTIONALLY register/login; otherwise, the suggestion is by "Anonymous" It'll be tricky to secure, but I know we can do. Second to last thing... feel free to create a category for any Mozilla product on FeVote. It's on us for at least 60 days: http://www.fevote.com/new/ Last thing... if you've got suggestions for FeVote -- anything at all -- and I know you do, please, share your ideas without having to think: http://www.fevote.com/fevote ;) We’re well on our way to making what you’ve outlined available for any company, organization, product, website, etc.:

http://www.fevote.com/

“FeVote” is a ’social suggestions’ website.

One of your hottest points is that suggestion making should be dead simple — no hassles. We’ve opened the site up to Yahoo and OpenID (thus AOL/AIM) users, but after reading this post, you reaffirmed an old thought I had that users should not be forced to login to make suggestions.

For instance, on a website, through our widget, a person should be able to:

a) Type the idea
b) Complete a CAPTCHA; click submit
c) OPTIONALLY register/login; otherwise, the suggestion is by “Anonymous”

It’ll be tricky to secure, but I know we can do.

Second to last thing… feel free to create a category for any Mozilla product on FeVote. It’s on us for at least 60 days: http://www.fevote.com/new/

Last thing… if you’ve got suggestions for FeVote — anything at all — and I know you do, please, share your ideas without having to think: http://www.fevote.com/fevote

;)

]]> By: morgamic http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-9948 morgamic Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:44:52 +0000 http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2007/06/14/sharing-ideas-without-having-to-think/#comment-9948 You wouldn't need to, the idea would be public -- but if you wanted to 'watch" it the way you would in MediaWiki or some forums you'd have to tie a user account to it. I'm not entirely sure not requiring a user account is a good idea, but it'd make things easier initially. Kind of a catch-22. Maybe we could make them sign up for a user account after they submit. We could be sneaky like that. :) You wouldn’t need to, the idea would be public — but if you wanted to ‘watch” it the way you would in MediaWiki or some forums you’d have to tie a user account to it.

I’m not entirely sure not requiring a user account is a good idea, but it’d make things easier initially. Kind of a catch-22. Maybe we could make them sign up for a user account after they submit. We could be sneaky like that. :)

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