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	<title>Comments on: Geolocation in the Browser</title>
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		<title>By: Leif Harmsen</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-211474</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Harmsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why Google?!  Why not simply keep an open IP-to-location table that is independent of Google?   As for mapping, you can use openstreetmap - or any map for that matter.  I don&#039;t like this heaping on of Google dependant functionality - you can become practically beholden with proprietary shenanigans like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Google?!  Why not simply keep an open IP-to-location table that is independent of Google?   As for mapping, you can use openstreetmap &#8211; or any map for that matter.  I don&#8217;t like this heaping on of Google dependant functionality &#8211; you can become practically beholden with proprietary shenanigans like that.</p>
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		<title>By: toupil</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-207712</link>
		<dc:creator>toupil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j&#039;utilise la géolocalisation de firefox sur mon site web de petites annonces &quot;toupil.fr&quot; afin de localiser les visiteurs et leur proposer uniquement les annonces qui les concernent. 

c&#039;est très pratique ... quand cela fonctionne.
en attendant plus de fiabilité, je propose toujours d&#039;indiquer la localisation à la main.

j&#039;attends les retours de mes visiteurs pour voir la proportion de géolocalisation ratée de firefox :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j&#8217;utilise la géolocalisation de firefox sur mon site web de petites annonces &#8220;toupil.fr&#8221; afin de localiser les visiteurs et leur proposer uniquement les annonces qui les concernent. </p>
<p>c&#8217;est très pratique &#8230; quand cela fonctionne.<br />
en attendant plus de fiabilité, je propose toujours d&#8217;indiquer la localisation à la main.</p>
<p>j&#8217;attends les retours de mes visiteurs pour voir la proportion de géolocalisation ratée de firefox <img src='http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KS</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-207370</link>
		<dc:creator>KS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s ask this: &quot;Why would I want others to be able to locate me through a built in Browser App. ?&quot;

#1. As Florin Negoita Says:

&quot;What the API does is merely exposing that info to location-aware applications.&quot; 

Ok so #1 tells us that it only works if someone has the technical ability to use the built in App.

#2. As David says, &quot;I don’t understand why I can’t tell Firefox the exact location of my desktop. For a laptop – ok IP lookup is great, but I have my *exact* address. Why should I ever have to type it in rather than just hitting “Yes, give this site my location”?&quot;

Ok so #2 tells us that it would work better if we could communicate with websites which used a location box that worked with the browser to automatically type in our location except on an occasional roaming laptop.

#3. As Mark Gosdin says: &quot;As long as the code for this exists in Firefox you can never be certain that you have complete control over who does or does not know your location.&quot;

Ok so #3 tells us that an addon (which can be used if preferred or needed) would be more user preferable than a built in location spy that can be conceivably hacked into.

So, &quot;Why would I want others to be able to locate me through a built in Browser App. ?&quot;

Truth is, I wouldn&#039;t. 

#1 Reason is based on someone who is for this app.
It is not convenient, as David said above, it would be more convenient to have an Addon that could simply put the proper address in place. 

#2 is simply privacy

Yes, Mozilla is Open source and we can know what it is doing, but that does not change that fact that this being built into the browser is a security and privacy risk, which cannot be removed from the software, like an Addon would be capable of. Even if the Addon came standard with the browser, at least those opting out would be able to remove this code from the browser by removing the Addon.

I don&#039;t feel that this is going to destroy Mozilla&#039;s popularity, but it is a first step in that direction. First you will have a small divide over this issue, next you will have a web-browser developed by and for those concerned, and eventually you will have Mozilla caring less for those they lose because of this, until finally, there will be little to no difference between Mozilla and Google Chrome in terms of privacy.

So with such little convenience and concern to the majority of privacy conscience users, we must ask, what is the real motive for adding this code? What is its benefit and who does it benefit? 

While this may benefit Mozilla and their partners, there are clearly better and more useful options from the user standpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s ask this: &#8220;Why would I want others to be able to locate me through a built in Browser App. ?&#8221;</p>
<p>#1. As Florin Negoita Says:</p>
<p>&#8220;What the API does is merely exposing that info to location-aware applications.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ok so #1 tells us that it only works if someone has the technical ability to use the built in App.</p>
<p>#2. As David says, &#8220;I don’t understand why I can’t tell Firefox the exact location of my desktop. For a laptop – ok IP lookup is great, but I have my *exact* address. Why should I ever have to type it in rather than just hitting “Yes, give this site my location”?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok so #2 tells us that it would work better if we could communicate with websites which used a location box that worked with the browser to automatically type in our location except on an occasional roaming laptop.</p>
<p>#3. As Mark Gosdin says: &#8220;As long as the code for this exists in Firefox you can never be certain that you have complete control over who does or does not know your location.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok so #3 tells us that an addon (which can be used if preferred or needed) would be more user preferable than a built in location spy that can be conceivably hacked into.</p>
<p>So, &#8220;Why would I want others to be able to locate me through a built in Browser App. ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Truth is, I wouldn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>#1 Reason is based on someone who is for this app.<br />
It is not convenient, as David said above, it would be more convenient to have an Addon that could simply put the proper address in place. </p>
<p>#2 is simply privacy</p>
<p>Yes, Mozilla is Open source and we can know what it is doing, but that does not change that fact that this being built into the browser is a security and privacy risk, which cannot be removed from the software, like an Addon would be capable of. Even if the Addon came standard with the browser, at least those opting out would be able to remove this code from the browser by removing the Addon.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel that this is going to destroy Mozilla&#8217;s popularity, but it is a first step in that direction. First you will have a small divide over this issue, next you will have a web-browser developed by and for those concerned, and eventually you will have Mozilla caring less for those they lose because of this, until finally, there will be little to no difference between Mozilla and Google Chrome in terms of privacy.</p>
<p>So with such little convenience and concern to the majority of privacy conscience users, we must ask, what is the real motive for adding this code? What is its benefit and who does it benefit? </p>
<p>While this may benefit Mozilla and their partners, there are clearly better and more useful options from the user standpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. T</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-207085</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have to worry, it shows my location as &gt;160kms away :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have to worry, it shows my location as &gt;160kms away <img src='http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sri</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-206911</link>
		<dc:creator>sri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice....information.Thanks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice&#8230;.information.Thanks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Florin Negoita</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-202368</link>
		<dc:creator>Florin Negoita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geolocation API is **developing** draft of a W3C standard and there are serious discussions about proper approach to the privacy aspect. It is open and transparent for everybody and **any browser vendor** can implement it as they see fit. There is no reason to frown upon Mozilla for taking a lead on this :-)

For the vast majority of non-mobile users, the simple IP geolocation is remarkably precise anyway. What the API does is merely exposing that info to location-aware applications.
 
Nonetheless, perhaps a checkbox under Privacy to “Enable Geolocation” would alleviate many concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geolocation API is **developing** draft of a W3C standard and there are serious discussions about proper approach to the privacy aspect. It is open and transparent for everybody and **any browser vendor** can implement it as they see fit. There is no reason to frown upon Mozilla for taking a lead on this <img src='http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>For the vast majority of non-mobile users, the simple IP geolocation is remarkably precise anyway. What the API does is merely exposing that info to location-aware applications.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, perhaps a checkbox under Privacy to “Enable Geolocation” would alleviate many concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-201666</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t find geo.enabled in my about:config. I&#039;m using FF 3.5 B 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find geo.enabled in my about:config. I&#8217;m using FF 3.5 B 4.</p>
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		<title>By: Frédéric Wenzel</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-199250</link>
		<dc:creator>Frédéric Wenzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RH: I understand your concern. Please note that the feature is indeed opt-in. As long as you do not click on the button to tell a site-owner your location, it will not happen. Firefox will not send geolocation data to anyone unless you want it to.

Mark: That&#039;s the beauty of Open Source Software. If you want, you can know precisely what Firefox does. Please rest assured that Mozilla absolutely respects your privacy.

Please also refer to the geolocation page on mozilla.com that I mentioned a few comments earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RH: I understand your concern. Please note that the feature is indeed opt-in. As long as you do not click on the button to tell a site-owner your location, it will not happen. Firefox will not send geolocation data to anyone unless you want it to.</p>
<p>Mark: That&#8217;s the beauty of Open Source Software. If you want, you can know precisely what Firefox does. Please rest assured that Mozilla absolutely respects your privacy.</p>
<p>Please also refer to the geolocation page on mozilla.com that I mentioned a few comments earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gosdin</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-199249</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Gosdin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the code for this exists in Firefox you can never be certain that you have complete control over who does or does not know your location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the code for this exists in Firefox you can never be certain that you have complete control over who does or does not know your location.</p>
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		<title>By: RH</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2009/05/01/geolocation-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-199198</link>
		<dc:creator>RH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be disabled by default.
I am getting increasingly fed up of Google and of Firefox&#039; association with Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be disabled by default.<br />
I am getting increasingly fed up of Google and of Firefox&#8217; association with Google.</p>
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